Everything you need to know about the Palin/Biden debate

by twit

Look, Wonkette found a flow chart that makes it painless:

and there is a transcript from CNN that makes every answer seem so much worse than it did during the live debate.

TPM has an interesting insight about why Palin seemed to do so much better in the debate than in her unscripted interviews with Couric and Gibson:

No follow ups. It’s not a criticism of Gwen Ifill. It wasn’t the format she was supposed to work with. But if you look at Palin’s interview trainwrecks things always got bad on the follow up — when the interviewer (Gibson or Couric) pressed her on the nebulous answer for some specifics, which she couldn’t provide. That’s the difference.

Politico reports:

On at least 10 occasions, Palin gave answers that were nonspecific, completely generic, pivoted away from the question at hand, or simply ignored it: on global warming, an Iraq exit strategy, Iran and Pakistan, Iranian diplomacy, Israel-Palestine (and a follow-up), the nuclear trigger, interventionism, Cheney’s vice presidency and her own greatest weakness.

There is also video and factchecking via TPM:

The claim from this debate that is still sitting with me is this: Gov. Palin said that Sen. Biden supported McCain’s Iraq policies “pretty adamantly until this race.” Well, that’s complete nonsense. At least since 2004 they’ve been on completely different sides of this question. That was one of her biggest attack lines through the debate. And it’s completely false.

One of my general reactions is about the mocking and belittling tone adopted by Palin during the debate.  That haha I-laugh-at-you, you-are-ridiculous-and-contemptible attitude, suggesting that the ignorance of their opponent is so profound, that all anyone could be expected to do is laugh because serious discussion simply is not possible.  I think Palin’s attempt to use ridicule as a debate tactic shows a lack of confidence about having a serious discussion on the issues facing our nation, and that it was disrespectful to the debate process.  Without a serious answer to offer, ridicule is a handy tactic in an overall strategy of dodging a serious discussion.

and here is a clip of Palin talking about nuclear weapons:

with the transcript from CNN:

IFILL: Governor, on another issue, interventionism, nuclear weapons. What should be the trigger, or should there be a trigger, when nuclear weapons use is ever put into play?

PALIN: Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be all, end all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet, so those dangerous regimes, again, cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period.

Our nuclear weaponry here in the U.S. is used as a deterrent. And that’s a safe, stable way to use nuclear weaponry.

But for those countries — North Korea, also, under Kim Jong Il — we have got to make sure that we’re putting the economic sanctions on these countries and that we have friends and allies supporting us in this to make sure that leaders like Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad are not allowed to acquire, to proliferate, or to use those nuclear weapons. It is that important.

Can we talk about Afghanistan real quick, also, though?

Um, how about answering the question first?


6 Responses to Everything you need to know about the Palin/Biden debate

  1. Tim Weaver says:

    You betcha I ducked some questions but I managed to just wink and talking point my way through the debate because ya know sometimes you just gotta be a Joe Six pack american debater with the middle class and the job creations that will go with that so the hockey moms can get their little tikes home to have some peanut butter sandwiches before they go out to look for the Russians cuz ya know they’re out there just rearin their heads and drinking all that vodka so you betcha we gotta keep on eye on em.

  2. movie fan says:

    the VP debate was stunning. Palin did a decent job faking about 20% of the questions and didn’t even bother answering the other 80%.

    i couldn’t help thinking of the end of the movie Billy Madison, when the debate moderator says to Adam Sandler, “Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

  3. lestro says:

    movie fan –

    i had forgotten about that line, but you are exactly right! that’s exactly what it was. i felt dumber for having listened to it.

  4. graceMark says:

    The first two comments on this piece were hilarious! I think that, rather than a moderator, we need an interrogator to ask questions and keep Palin focused. Focus…its something that I teach my fifth graders to do in their writing. They could probably help Mrs. Palin.

  5. Trosa says:

    Twit you perfectly explained the disrespectful tone that Palin used. Heavens forbid Biden would have used that tone, he would have been considered a bully, a jerk or worse yet, a Sexist. I felt ashamed that everyone felt this woman held her own because she didn’t make any huge blunders, WTF!!! Everyone else in the election has to hold there own, but as long as the pretty soccer mom doesn’t sound like a complete and total freakin idiot, then she did great, wipe the sweat off you brows boys, antoher point for their ticket……what a joke. A sad awful joke, that no one gets.

  6. I’m sure that if Biden had been half as disrespectful as Palin, the political world would have spun off its axis due to the apoplectic rage that would be coming from just about everybody.

    But Biden can, and did, stand his ground on the actual issues presented by the debate. He has no need to resort to belittling and demeaning his opponent and the debate process. Palin is perfectly capable of demeaning and belittling herself all on her own, if her debate performance is any indication…

    Although, it is nice to see just how stupid the Republicans think the American people are. Palin is a refreshingly honest candidate on that issue, given how disrespectful her behavior was at the debate.

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