Sarah Palin rallies the KKK

by twit

update: via Newsweek on November 5, 2008:

The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that many crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied.

You don’t need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows:

Just wow.  Via Wonkette, the Washington Post actually reports on October 6, 2008:

“Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers,” Palin said.

“Boooo!” said the crowd.

“And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, ‘launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,’” she continued.

“Boooo!” the crowd repeated.

“Kill him!” proposed one man in the audience.

So who is this nefarious Bill Ayers?  According to Palin, he is a terrorist:

“Our opponent … is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,” Palin told a group of donors in Englewood, Colo.

A deliberate attempt to smear Obama, McCain’s ticket-mate echoed the line at three separate events Saturday.

“This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,” she said. “We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism.”

However:

Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers’ radical views and actions.

The New York Times reports on October 6, 2008:

Ms. Palin has several times cited a New York Times article published Saturday in raising Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Ayers, but she has sidestepped its conclusion that the two men did not appear to be close and that Mr. Obama had never expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.

The Chicago Sun-Times reports on April 18, 2008:

Ayers, 63, spent 10 years as a fugitive in the 1970s when he was part of the “Weather Underground,” an anti-Vietnam War group that protested U.S. policies by bombing the Pentagon, U.S. Capitol and a string of other government buildings.

Nobody was hurt in the attacks by the defunct organization, which the FBI labeled a “domestic terrorist group.”

Today, Ayers and his wife — fellow former Weather Underground fugitive Bernardine Dohrn — live in Hyde Park, where they moved after surrendering in 1980. Federal charges against the two were dropped because of improper surveillance, so they avoided prison.

Ayers and Dohrn have raised two sons of their own and adopted a third boy whose parents were Weather Underground members who went to prison. They’ve built stellar reputations as professors: Dohrn at Northwestern’s law school, Ayers as an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Along the way, they met a rising political star named Barack Obama, who lived in their neighborhood.

It seems important to point out that the Weather Underground did not try to kill people:

The act was designed as a symbol, and as intended, neither killed nor even hurt a single person.

I do not applaud their violent tactics in the slightest.  However, the actual nature of the Weather Underground attacks seems relevant, particularly since it has been mentioned by the Associated Press that Palin’s “pallin’ around” line seems to have a certain subtext…

… Palin’s words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee “palling around” with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn’t see their America?

In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers’ day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.

Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as “not like us” is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.

update: via the Huffington Post on October 8, 2008:

For the second time in three days, the speaker at a McCain campaign rally used Barack Obama’s middle name “Hussein” in a demeaning fashion to ignite the crowd.

… McCain has distanced itself from the deliberate and malicious use of Obama’s middle name in the past. When a conservative radio talk show host first discussed Barack “Hussein” Obama in February, the campaign said it was inappropriate and not reflective of the race they are seeking to run.

But it is hard not to notice how rabid the crowds have recently become at McCain events and how demonstrative they have been in their disdain for Obama. In addition to introductory speakers raising the Senator’s middle name in the form of an insult, audience members have screamed out, during recent events, “terrorist,” “treason,” and “kill him,” when the Illinois Democrat’s name has been discussed.

update: via the Washington Post on October 10, 2008:

WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 — There were shouts of “Nobama” and “Socialist” at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

… The crowds that show up for his rallies these days appear to have little appetite for the talk of bipartisan compromise that had been at the heart of his message around the Republican National Convention. During a rally outside a small airport in Mosinee, Wis., on Thursday, McCain said that “it’s time we come together, Democrats and Republicans to work together. That’s my record. I’ll reach across the aisle.”

The crowd stood silent.

cross-posted:  On October 10, 2008, McCain gets booed when he tries to calm a crowd:

Politico has a story about all the booing…  and so does McClatchy.

update: On October 13, 2008, CBS debunks McCain’s latest Ayers ad:

A recent web advertisement from Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain makes two false claims about a connection between Bill Ayers and Senator Barack Obama.

1. “Ayers and Obama ran a radical education foundation, together.”

The foundation they are referring to is the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), set up in the early 1990’s with funding from the Annenberg Foundation to reform public schools. Walter Annenberg is a well-known philanthropist and conservative Republican.

… Obama chaired the board of the CAC but he did not serve on the board with Ayers. Ayers served on a separate advisory board.

2. “They wrote the foundation’s bylaws together.”

“They didn’t sit over a coffee table somewhere and say ‘let’s do it this way,’ they were involved with a large group of people,” Rolling says, “They did not actually write them.”

Rolling says Ayers served on a voluntary advisory board that hired a lawyer to write the bylaws that were eventually approved by the entire board of directors – one of the votes for the bylaws came from Obama.

update: via TPM on October 14, 2008:

At today’s Palin rally in Pennsylvania a supporter yelled “Kill him!” when … a speaker mentioned Barack Obama. Yesterday, at a joint McCain-Palin rally in Virginia, another supporter was moved to shout “Obama bin Laden” as Palin spoke.

Related:

American racism: Not dead yet

The difference between Sarah Palin and the KKK

The Racism of John McCain

16 Responses to Sarah Palin rallies the KKK

  1. lestro says:

    hmm, didn’t she did tell a bunch of secessionists to ‘keep up the good work’?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story

  2. clancop says:

    Not this again.

    Firstly, Bill Ayers, his wife Bernadine Dohrn, the group Progressive for Obama, made up of former 60’s radicals are all linked to the Weathermen Underground. This organization bombed political targets, even killing one police officer in a blast, but also killing three WU members when a bomb they were making accidentally went off. Ayers and Dohrn, who are free only because of a legal technicality, have bragged about their bombings, even continuing to “educate” others on their revolutionary view.

    Obama gets tied to this thanks to a few things. 1. Obama met his wife Michelle at the same law firm Dohrn was working at. 2. Obama’s political “coming out” party was held at Ayers’ and Dohrn’s house. 3. Obama and Ayers worked on both the Anneberg Challenge and the Woods Foundation together, funding “educational” groups like ACORN and even an anti-Israel group in Palestine with links to the late Yasser Arafat.

    Palin isn’t KKK, her husband is actually a mix, European and native. John McCain and his wife Cindy adopted a girl from India during their travels years ago. If you want to discuss racism, Wright is one, Farrakhan is another, and now Rashid Khalidi.

    Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

    http://clancop.wordpress.com

  3. The Fourth Amendment is not a “legal technicality.”

    And I thought you were actually serious for a second – you do a great job pretending to be a racist, fear-mongering sack of shit.

    But this bit: “her husband is actually a mix, European and native.”

    European!!!! what a hoot you are.

  4. clancop says:

    What do you think the “white” race is? Europeans, simply as that. Americans, Canadians are mostly of European decent. The majority of which is English, Irish, Scottish, German, French and Italian. Don’t you know simple history? Todd Palin’s family represents a “mixing” found commonly in Canada and Alaska. In Quebec, we have the Metis, a people who are a mix of French settlers and the Native’s of the “Lower Canada”. Palin’s mix represents post-gold rush relations between Americans who stayed and the local indigenous population. That isn’t racism, that is fact.

    No, it is a legally technicality, especially since this man and his wife still brag about their bombings. A 1998 interview with Connie Chung, Ayers and Dohrn bragged about their deeds, actually wishing they could do more. Now if you can’t put an unrepenting murderer away , no matter where it comes from, even the constitution, it is a legal technicality.

    My question is, even after the 1998 interview, why is it that Obama continued working with Ayers on the Woods Foundation board until 2002? For that matter, why the hell did Obama spend 20 years at Trinity United?

    http://clancop.wordpress.com

  5. hmm… I am getting the distinct impression that you are not actually joking.

    But you apparently are Canadian, so all of your rights are a gift from a monarch, so I can understand why you belittle the notion of inherent rights reserved to the people and are so quick to assume someone guilty until proven innocent.

    The Weather Underground engaged in tactics that I do not support and it is my understanding that the group was accused of a bombing that resulted in the death of a police officer. It is also my understanding that the loss of the Weathermen in the accidental explosion that dropped a brownstone on members building a bomb caused a fundamental clarification of the aims of the group – including that they would make every effort to provide advance warning of their attacks to insure that no people were harmed.

    Ayers and Dohrn and countless other radicals from the 60s have reintegrated into society. For example, in the sixties, Tom Hayden was put on trial for conspiracy to overthrow the government along with other members of the “Chicago 8″ – from what I remember of the course of that case, the “technicality” of the First Amendment is what allowed him to eventually go free and then win a seat in the US Congress.

    I think it is important to point out that Obama was a child when the Weather Underground were active, and only associated with Ayers and Dohrn after they returned to mainstream society and rebuilt their lives as law-abiding citizens. Also, Obama has condemned the Weather Underground tactics (and the inflammatory rhetoric used by Rev. Wright) and left the church led by Rev. Wright.

    I suspect that Obama worked on a charity board and went to church with these folks because he can think for himself. He can associate with reformed radicals in a professional capacity because they have professional roles in working to address the challenges faced by communities. He can go to church for his own opportunity for prayer and reflection, and to participate in the church community. I’m sure that Gov. Palin doesn’t want us to think that she believes she can accelerate the coming of the End Times just because it is part of the philosophy of her church. Rev. Wright may be an inflammatory figure who does nothing to improve race relations in America, but at least he isn’t focused on bringing an apocalypse to the world…

    In the related posts listed towards the end of this post, I have addressed how Palin’s marriage to her husband does not necessarily give her a free pass from her ugly record related to race issues.

    Since I am an American, I do believe that you are entitled to your opinions, no matter how ugly and obscene I may find them. I appreciate you stopping by to give us an idea of how much work is left to be done in finding constructive ways to address the exaggerations, distortions and outright lies about Obama’s record.

  6. lestro says:

    Clancop –

    no offense, but i have trouble taking advice on democracy from a citizen of a country that still technically has a monarch and did not get the right to change their constitution until 1982 (and only then after the queen said OK).

    It is also difficult to take you seriously on the topic of race issues, considering the demographics of Canada, which has a total minority (non-white) population of 16 percent, compared to about 35 percent for the US. While i think it is great that your most recent census allowed for “canadian” as an ethnic choice (our census should and include “American” as an option), it does not lead to any sort of expertise on topics of racial discussion within the US.

    For example, the are nearly twice as many black people in Michigan as there are in Canada. There are nearly three times the number of black people in New York City than in the whole of Canada.

    Because of these differences in racial history between our countries, i would not expect you to understand the sort of racial undertones that Gov. Palin is making by trying to link Obama to a “terrorist” and saying that he does not “see america as we do.”

    it is an “us vs them” argument they are trying to make. and it’s despicable. especially for a guy who promised an ‘honorable campaign.’

    As for Ayers, who for the past 30 years or so has been a respected professor at the same university where obama taught, it seems to me that yes, the two guys paths might cross. especially since they live in the same neighborhood.

    and the woods foundation, for the record, is a non profit dedicated to addressing the causes of poverty, reducing racism, promoting equal opportunity and building common ground in comunities.
    perhaps that is why obama stayed involved with the Wood Foundation, though there is no indication at all that he was “involved” with Ayers on any other level.

    as for your racists, Obama has disavowed or cut off any relationship with Wright due to his inflammatory rhetoric. Obama has absolutely no connection to Farrakhan. And Rashid Khalidi is an american-born professor of palestinian studies who has no ties to any sort of racist groups.
    it is also worth noting that his ties to Obama are tenuous at best.

    Funny you should mention “Kool Aid” though because like Palin, you too are trying to create connections and links that are not there because you know the basis of your very argument falls apart when questioned so you have to shift the subject at the very end in hopes it throw people off the total bullshit in the beginning.

    For example, the Weather Underground was never deemed responsible for the bombing in San Francisco that killed that cop. They have never claimed responsibility and no one has ever been charged with that crime.

    as for “ACORN,” which you site in your first comment, the group is made up of community activists focused on five main issues: halting and/or regulating predatory lending, a living wage, increased school funding, gun control and additional funding for Katrina victims. again, reasons i imagine obama stayed involved.

    but ask yourself this, do we really want to focus on these connections? I mean, given the checkered histories of association of both McCain (Keating) and Palin (Alaskan Independence Party) is this really the direction this campaign should go?

    Don’t we have bigger things to worry about? shouldn’t we be talking about issues and proposals? the two wars, the flagging economy, the health care issues, education reform, etc. but of course, the McCain campaign has no intention of talking issues since he has been part of the problem for 26 years and they have no plans on how to do anything different from the way it is being done now.

    but thanks for stopping by.

  7. Mike says:

    What we have here is an attempt by Palin to associated Barak Obama with something distant in his past. It would be like me saying, ‘Well. Sarah Palin was born in Sandpoint, Idaho, and everyone knows thats real close to Ruby Ridge where the Weaver family was stockpiling weapons and ammunition & got in that big fight with the FBI. What do you think she knows about that?’

    Besides it’s the alledged home of white supremecists, and fomer militiamen, who does she know from back there?

    One of Sandpoints most prominent residents was Mark Fuhrman, the detective who pursued OJ, who was tried by Judge Lance Ito who also was the judge for Charles Keating, inspirational idol for the Keating 5 of which our candidate was number 5, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito screwed up jury instructions.

    All of this stuff can go around and around, and we could all ask, why did L.Ron Hubbard founder of Scientology start the ‘religion’ in Arizona not 10 minutes walk from one of John McCains reclusive residences?

    All this is meaningless fodder for the media, be it liberal, conservative or big business oriented. It detracts from the real issues, the loss of human life in Iraq, the economic downturn & the fear/terror mechanics of the Bush/Cheney regime. We are at a crossroads where one candidate is on the verge of telling us what we need to hear, and the other is trying to instill fear into doubting minds.

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  10. clancop says:

    It is good to know you idiots know nothing about Canada. Hello, we are on the other side of the border, we aren’t a monarchy you twits. Our rights are ones we fought for, not through bloody revolution, but political pressure and our outstanding service in the two World Wars. While Americans were “Dough Boys”, we were “Hell’s Handmaidens” and “Storm troopers”, we made a name for ourselves on the battlefield, adamant and extremely vicious… And yet lestro and twitterpaters don’t seem to know this. We are a Confederation, a union of British territories under an elected government. Even by 1867, we weren’t allowed our own voice in international affairs, but that changed after Passchendaele, Battle of the Somme, and Vimmy Ridge. We had a seat at post-war talks when other British territories didn’t.

    Yes you twit, there are ethnic Canadians, our native population. Instead of killing them off like you did, we have them land and intermarried. They have been in Canada for centuries, what should they call themselves? The the population of the state of New York has more murders then the entire country of Canada, mainly because its population rivals that of my country. You have more blacks? Great, shows how well slavery worked out now doesn’t it? Matter of fact, blacks escaped to Canada thanks to the Underground Railroad because they were guaranteed rights in my country. Even after the Civil War, we didn’t bring up things like the Jim Crow laws to keep them separate. Brag all you want, with the state of blacks in the USA, there is nothing for you to brag about. How is that 35% of black families with both parents doing for you? Massive ghettoization isn’t something to brag about your twit.

    Our rights are guaranteed under our semi-entrenched constitution, our Bill of Rights, things the federal government awarded its people, not the monarchy. Just because the Queen visits, it doesn’t mean she has any power in our country. The position of Governor-General, the voice of the Queen? It is a figurehead roll, a position which remains to maintain strong relations with Britain. You see, during WWII, after our Prime Minister (not President as Obama thinks) met with your President FDR, our countries were joined at the hip economically as the US government and US business pumped billions of dollars into our economy to create factories to produce war machines. Britain had the US under contract to supply them, and the US couldn’t fill the order itself. Ever since then, our economic fate has been tied to yours, so ya, we do understand the importance of this election, and we educate ourselves to figure out what is going on. Anyone with half a brain knows McCain is the better choice…

    The instant you use “regime” Mike, I know you aren’t on this planet. Ruby Ridge? Shortly after she was born, the moved. Obama on the other hand was in Kenya supporting Raila Odinga, a pro-Islamic tyrant, just a few years ago. He gave speeches in support of the Orange Democratic Movement, a group which has threatened genocide once it took power. Is that the “hope” and “change” Kenya needed. There you go, with a picture of Barack at the rally…

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/why-did-obama-campaign-for-a-pro-islam-candidate-in-kenya/

    The Keating Five? Senate Ethics Commission spent a year investigating John McCain and Glenn and couldn’t find one thing. Both lawyers attested to this, but neither man was let go. Bob Bennett, one of those investigators, was on Mark Levin a few nights back discussing how partisan hacks kept both men because John was a Republican. If you let him go, the public would see this as a Democratic scandal, and since Glenn had the same involvement as McCain, you couldn’t let him go or people would be suspicious as to your motives for keeping McCain. This was the first time Bennett remembers the ethics committee going against his recommendations. Do your research your conspiracy nut. Do you understand that?

    You see, that is the kind of ignorance which makes you so dangerous. You vote thinking you know the facts, believing what Obama tells, and yet you don’t even understand half of what is going on. These aren’t “lies”, especially when CNN is now broadcasting them. ACORN is being investigated in 17 states for a variety of charges, including their connection to this sub-prime lending mess, many in the organization have even been convicted of voter fraud. Now, what was Obama and Ayers doing funding this organization through both the Anneberg Challenge and the Woods Fund? Well Stanley Kurtz can tell you….

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

    and

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM=

    But you don’t want to listen to this eh? Especially not after various groups in the MSM has gone to him for the information on Obama. Oh ya, when Bennett looked into McCain’s dealings with Charles Keating for a year and couldn’t find anything (they were close because of friends in common and because his wife Cindy invested in one of Keating shopping malls, but after hearing about his illegal charges, personally threw the man out of his office, telling him never to come back… Bennett’s words, not mine), Kurtz looked into Obama’s relationship with Ayers and opened Pandora’s Box. The New Party, ACORN, everything in Chicago that he could leach off of he was in. Rezko helped him buy a house, Ayers threw this guy a “coming out party”, etc What about his time at Trinity United? Rev Wright was a Black Liberation preacher, a theology many have compared to the KKK (mainly because it wishes death to a god that doesn’t put a black man first), so what was Obama doing there for TWENTY YEARS. He didn’t leave because it got extreme, he left because he was losing voters. Ask yourself why did he came out in defense first and then attacked when the pubic got to hear Wright’s sermons?

    Fear and doubt? Democrats allowed for the first bailout to fail and the market to crash just to “prove a point”. Obama is running around telling you guys only he can solve problems, CNN is intimidating people with subtle suggestions that blacks will riot if Obama loses, etc Why would they let the economy take a dive when investors wanted the first plan to pass? Blame Republicans, but all they needed was 12 votes, and 95 Democrats didn’t vote for it, 12 under Frank himself, a slew connected to Pelosi and even more under the thumb of Obama. Many lost their 401Ks thanks to that drop, and why? To give the second bailout 150 in pork and let Obama be the hero. Pathetic…

    You guys don’t get it, don’t even want to do the research, you decide what to believe because “The One” tells you it. He lied about his relationship with Ayers THREE TIMES in the last week, how can you trust him anymore? Have anyone of you even read Dreams From My Father? I have, and it is disturbing… Wake up before you hand your country and your futures over to a man with no experience and a record of far-left radicalism. He even talks about his socialist/Marxist roots in his book… Don’t you people know this stuff? McCain just put out his economic recovery plan, where is Obama’s? Loan renegotiation? That is the kind of mentality that got America into this situation in the first place. How do I know? I have a degree in economics, this is simple first and second year stuff, and yet you guys don’t get it.

    Thank God I am Canadian, because your country is about to go to hell in a hand basket.

  11. lestro says:

    Hey Clancop –

    Look it up: your country is a constitutional monarchy and your official head of state is Queen Elizabeth II. You remain loyal subjects to the queen and your government’s official title is still “Her Majesty’s Government.”
    You politely asked permission in 1982 to finally have the right to change your own constitution, which she granted, though the royal prerogative remains in place These are facts.
    Stop trying to teach me my country’s history until you learn your own, but here’s a good place to start for american history (the subject in which i have my degree): we do not believe in the divine right of kings.

    No one said shit about canadians not fighting in wars or not fighting for rights (other than self-rule and freedom from monarchs, of course), but thanks for bringing it up. Like McCain and Palin, best to change the subject and filibuster when you know you are wrong and can’t answer the question or allegations.

    as for race relations, i brought up the statistics simply to point out that as a canadian, i do not expect you to understand the deep fissure we have in this country over race or the incendiary language used to try and rile up racist sentiment.
    though, in response, Obama has spoken at length about the need of all families, black and white, to try and remain together and has spoken in the african american community encouraging black fathers to stay involved in the lives of their children.
    (PS – in canada, the rate of single parent black families is 46 percent, which, last i checked, is higher than 35 percent, so get off your high fucking horse and clean up your own house before attacking mine…

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/03/09/black_stats040309.html

    what was that about research?)

    no one is “bragging about the state of blacks” in this country, simply pointing out that you don’t have a leg to stand on here and that there is no way for you, a canadian, to understand the delicate and complicated issue of race in this country.
    we may not have had the best history in dealing with race and we have no one to blame except ourselves, but looking to a canadian for race relation advice is almost as stupid as you thinking you are in a position to offer it.

    besides, a quick review of racial history in canada shows that you too had slavery. you put limits on the number of blacks that could enter your country because, as your prime minister put it in 1911 “which race is deemed unsuitable to the climate and requirements of Canada” and you too have a history rife with racism.

    But enough of that, let’s address the falsehoods in your statements about recent history: It was actually the House Republicans who killed the first “bailout” because they had their feelings hurt when the speaker of the house rightfully pointed out that it was eight years of republican policy (nearly 28, actually) that got us into this mess.
    I am not sure what news you are watching, but even the republicans came out after the vote and said the reason it failed was because they voted against it because their feelings were hurt.

    Obama’s economic recovery plan is the same place it has been for more than a year: on his Web site, calling for the same oversight and regulation of the industries that the rest of the country seems to be calling for today.

    i am not going to defend Obama’s choice of church or pastor. and mccain supporters should not be attacking it either, considering mccain’s changing his tune and sucking up to the “agents of intolerance” (his words) who believe that hurricanes and al qaida airplanes are sent by god to punish the united states for believing in equal rights. Or for that matter, his running mate’s wacky-ass young earth creationist, blessing-form-witchcraft, iraq-is-a-mission-from-god bullshit version of christianity.
    seriously, they are all pigs in this poke.
    the nutjob christians on the right are just scared of this nutjob christians on the left because he’s black. they are all fucking nutjobs, it is simply a matter of versions.

    as for the Keating Five, the investigation didn’t find nothing. they found that John McCain used “poor judgment,” which is very important considering the similarities of the S&L crisis to the one we have now, though yes, it was primarily a democrat scandal.

    but is the guilt-by-association argument really the one you want to get into? because mccain has been in washington for 35 years and guarntee there’s a lot more shady characters in six degrees of john mccain than there is with obama.
    besides, you know that board on which both obama and ayers served was founded by the wife of a reagan appointee, right? but doesn’t john mccain nuzzle at reagan’s teat every chance he gets. hmm.
    and it’s not that i don’t want to listen, it’s that i already have and i don’t fucking care. you think this is new? you think i haven’t already looked into william ayers a year ago when the clinton campaign trotted him out? you think i didn’t already decide then that people can change and the battles and views of the 60s – when obama was 8 – should not be held against him considering the good work that Ayers went on to do for the rest of his adult life? or that knowing someone who may have done something wrong does not make you wrong? what kind of stupid fucking simpleton makes that assumption?
    oh, right, sorry clancop. no offense.
    this all may be new to you (and sarah palin), but it’s not to anyone who has been paying attention.

    thank you again for stopping by and attempting to filibuster (as well as the nifty trick of accusing me of not doing any research, which was obviously a rovian attempt to project your weakness on me), but we got it from here, thanks.

    though it is nice to see that apologists from the other side of the border use the same bullshit in an attempt to smear barack obama as they do down here.

  12. clancop,

    I think we got off on the wrong foot. My reference to Canada was based on a law school class I took long ago that pointed out that America has a fairly unique orientation to the ideas of fundamental rights and that the history of our Constitution underlines that idea. There’s more to it, and I would need to do more research to explain my point in greater detail. But it isn’t the main point here.

    (update: although I should note that you do make my overall point with this line: “Our rights are guaranteed under our semi-entrenched constitution, our Bill of Rights, things the federal government awarded its people, not the monarchy,” because that is the difference: In America, the people give the federal government its rights, not the other way around.)

    I agree with your claim that “anyone with half a brain knows McCain is the better choice…” because I think that if anyone thinks over the differences between the two candidates, and uses more than half a brain, it is obvious that Obama is the best candidate for the US presidency.

    McCain certainly is not the best candidate for an economic crisis:

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/through-the-looking-glass/

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/is-hell-freezing-over/

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/tell-me-again-how-john-mccain-isn%E2%80%99t-part-of-the-problem/

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/mccain-says-if-you-care-about-the-economy-dont-vote-for-him/

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-exorcism-of-voodoo-economics/

    as to health care, after the last debate it is obvious that McCain is peddling a plan that will harm Americans, but there also is this:

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/mccains-got-a-plan/

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/mccains-health-insurance-plan-reduce-coverage-to-5-million-people/

    and then there is the issue of current and future wars:

    http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/mccain-2008-hell-make-cheney-look-like-ghandi/

    There is more on this blog that looks at the differences between the candidates, but I don’t see much of a point of collecting more links at this point. Your comment is so angry, and in my view, so distorted, it does not appear that you are actually interested in having a rational discussion.

  13. clancop says:

    lestro you schmuck, get a clue. It is a figure head position and it has been that way for many years. Queen Elizabeth II didn’t write our constitution, matter of fact, it was Prime Minister John Diefenbaker’s doing,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bill_of_Rights

    Pierre Elliot Trudeau played with it later, and, as a matter of tradition, asked permission to do so. The Queen can’t say no you idiot, she smiles, she waves, she let’s us do our thing. What you are quoting is an outdated an ill-informed history of my country. I studied this in University, I minored in Canadian history you twit, I know more about it then you. Those are the facts, we aren’t a Monarchy, we only pay lip service to them. And why is this the way it is? Because we proved ourselves on the battlefields of Europe. That isn’t ignoring the fact, that is stating it and stating why it is. We aren’t a monarchy, we are a Confederation, but I guess you missed July 1st 1867 during your Google search.

    Economically, AS AN ECONOMIST, McCain’s plan is FAR BETTER than Obama’s. Buying up bad mortgages then reevaluating them is what experts have been screaming for weeks. The market needs to be stabilized and this is what MUST happen. Matter of fact, that is what was covered in the bailout plan if you bothered to read it. Why not cite experts instead of idiots…

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/04/IN0A13B2ND.DTL

    and

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/obama-now-rejec.html

    I also wrote an article that addressed it, but of course you guys didn’t bother reading it. Once again, I spent my time at University studying and getting a degree in economics, not “arm-chairing” it like you guys. You want to challenge my credibility, get a degree like I have. If you did have any idea of what was going on, you would know Obama’s plan is dangerous. Loan renegotiation leads to loan forgiveness and you just dig a bigger hole for the banks and lending agencies.

    Mark Levin discussed McCain’s health care plan pointing out that Biden lied, even the Washington Post covered that story.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100300032.html

    Once again, DO YOUR RESEARCH. It is amazing to see that you “experts” can be so wrong, and then go off to wrongly educate other ignorant voters. Pathetic…

    On race relations, you have no idea what you are talking about. The issue of 1911 was mostly about an influx of immigrants to Canada. What we saw was that immigration limits were be surpassed, especially by Chinese and Japanese in Western Canada. With an Asian monopoly of fishing in British Columbia, white fishers wanted government to find ways to eekp them from coming in. How do I know this? Did two projects on Japanese interment during World War II in University.

    We also understand just as well as you do when it comes to racial divide. Our First Nations are a political hot topic, especially with their violent protests, demands on government, suing the government, etc We actually had to go into communities in Nunavut and rescue children from unwilling parents due to a dramatic increase in drug use, sniffing gasoline fumes, sex etc among youth. Can you understand what that meant to see them in such a situation?

    We also have conflict between English and French Canadians. Just like your black problems, except it goes back well before the American Civil War. Look up Quebec separatism and Renee Leveque. Guess you don’t know my country as well as you think you do. Tell you what, leave it up an expect, not a Google search.

    You ignore that Palin left the church years ago, that McCain was cleared by Bob Bennett and others… It is good to see you guys also hate religion. Way to go, you are clearly on the far-left…

    Do the research and put the “Kool-Aid” down…

    http://clancop.wordpress.com

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