the sound of every criminal defense attorney cringing at once
21 04 2008
by twit
sounds something like this:
(CBS) Many of the men in the polygamist sect in Eldorado, Texas didn’t know it is illegal to marry someone under 18, one of them tells Early Show co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez in an exclusive interview.
… Asked by Rodriguez if he was saying older men don’t marry adolescent girls in the compound, Edson replied, “I didn’t say that at all, but I think that people have a false concept of what our religion is all about. To say that they’re sexually abused and that people here are — they haven’t found anything to my knowledge that proves that.
… But I think that, overall, they look at us as if we’re immoral people and, in our own makeup, that is the very most important part of our religion, is to be morally clean. I have a hard time standing here being a criminal, when I had no idea that I’m a criminal.
(Videos of the interview can be seen here)
emphasis and cringe added. ‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse‘ is just a starting point for the kind of conniptions this might produce. It has been a minute since I checked, but I have a dim recollection that once you say goodbye to your fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination, it is gone for good…
In other news, Wired offers this perspective on a video clip of an earlier ABC News interview with sect members:
In the bizarre clip, the women — identified only as Nancy, Marie and Esther — answer questions in remarkably similar sing-song voices and speak almost in unison.
Clad in matching dresses and looking like they just stepped out of a time machine set to 1880, the women project an eerie Star Trek-meets-Little House on the Prairie vibe.
They complain oh so meekly about the raid that left 416 children in state custody as authorities try to get to the bottom of what, exactly, was going on at the Yearning for Zion Ranch.
The Associated Press takes a closer look at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on April 19, 2008:
The YFZ Ranch - which, as the townspeople would come to learn, stood for Yearning for Zion - would mushroom into a bustling, parallel city: a 1,691-acre, self-sustaining enclave carved, literally, into a rock pile for the innermost circle of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, FLDS, a 10,000-member sect that has continued to practice polygamy after it was banned by the Mormon Church in 1890.
Here, there would be enormous dormitories for enormous families, a cheese factory, a medical clinic, a grain silo, a commissary, a sewage treatment plant - and watchtowers with sentries, infrared night-vision cameras to monitor gated entrances, and 10-foot-high compound walls topped with spikes.
There would evolve a saga of “plural marriages,” racism, underage “celestial” brides and allegations of child abuse, turning Eldorado upside down with frightening tales, rumors, and a flood of reporters and investigators. A raid on the polygamists’ compound - the largest of its kind in more than a half century in the West, involving hundreds of law enforcement agents - would lead to the removal of 416 children and set up a child custody confrontation of unprecedented dimensions.
and how the investigations into the compound began:
On a chilly evening in January 2004, J.D. Doyle, a pilot, and his father, James, the local justice of the peace, climbed into their Piper twin-engine plane and took to the skies over Schleicher County to see if recent rains had greened the grazing fields owned by friends who were cattle ranchers.
But as they flew over the YFZ property four miles north of Eldorado, they noticed something different: Down below, jutting up between scatterings of cedar bushes and outcroppings of limestone, were three enormous, cabin-style barracks with enough room to accommodate two football teams.
What were those doing on a hunting retreat?
Later, they asked a friend, Joe Christian, a computer tech who lived adjacent to the YFZ ranch, what he made of it. Christian hadn’t a clue, actually. His new neighbors had been reclusive, leaving him to puzzle over all that nonstop building. We should take some aerial photographs, he suggested; the Doyles agreed.
The photos intrigued Randy and Kathy Mankin, who published the town’s weekly paper, The Eldorado Success, so they did a background check on the buyer, Allred. Initially, they saw no red flags: He was, as he’d claimed, a builder from Washington County, Utah. Still, why build such large residences on so remote a ranch?
Then, in late March, the paper got a call from Flora Jessop, an anti-polygamy activist from Utah who’d been raised in the FLDS and who, as a teenager, had run away from the sect. A polygamist group, she’d been told, was rumored to be establishing another enclave in west Texas.
In Randy Mankin’s mind, polygamy had already taken its place on history’s ash heap. But the caller wouldn’t stop asking questions. When Mankin finally relinquished the name of the buyer, he heard a silence on the line, then:
“Oh, my God … it’s them … “
The movement to free the children is growing.
A conservative blog has suggested formation of FreeTheChildren.org. See:
http://miraclesdaily.blogspot.com/
A Mormon blog has suggested the LDS church not look the other way, and has also pointed out widespread abuse in the Texas Foster Care system. See:
http://dayofpraise.blogspot.com/
Connor Boyack’s petition to free the children now has over 1,700 signatures. See:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/free-the-innocent-flds
If there are criminals, prosecute them. But free the innocent children.
Foster care is not a punishment. On behalf of all the foster parents out there who provide safe homes for children, I condemn your characterization of foster care as anything other than an attempt to free those kids from a nightmare of abuse and neglect.
Even though the foster care system in this nation is in dire need of resources and attention from legislators, we’re talking about a group of parents that for years coordinated the rape and inbreeding of children.
Don’t minimize the crimes against humanity that have been committed by this sect. The children are the victims, and it is people holding notions like yours that bear the brunt of the responsibility.
And I say that, because your comment sounds a lot like the FLDS propaganda about how the government is the enemy and not to be trusted. You clearly think the Texas foster care system is included in such a category, which in this case, is incredibly hard to believe. All those kids have attorneys and more media attention than they could ever want, you think Texas is going to lose track of them?
Your link to the petition says “we call upon the Texas Governor to intervene in this matter and allow the women and children to return to their homes peacefully.”
We’ve had all kinds stop by this blog, but an advocate of child abuse and inbreeding is surely a first. I can see why your comment got caught up in the spamcatcher, but insanity like yours is too much to ignore.
last clip, from your “freethechildren.org” link:
“in many States children have been taken away from their parents because they were being raised as vegetarians, and yet there are mountains of evidence that a modern enlightened vegetarian diet is far healthier than a meat diet.”
damn. I’m too irate to laugh and that is funny.
luckily, i think these children were freed; freed from the abusive cult under which they have lived until now.
i have not been following this too closely, but when a group of religious fundamentalists forces pubescent girls to have sex with and carry the babies of middle-aged men, that is a crime that must be prevented. we call that pedophilia, and even the pope is finally on board with the idea that it is wrong. that is abuse of body, abuse of trust and abuse of religion and those kids needed saving.
sending them back with parents who force them into that lifestyle - including those same criminals you want prosecuted - would be cruel and borderline evil.
that petition is a joke. it’s asking people to free the criminals and give them back the very victims they routinely abused.
those kids are free. now.
MSNBC reports that 21 more minors have been added to the group already in state custody:
“The testing will involve 437 children and possibly hundreds of adults. State authorities revised their count of the children from 416 as they developed better lists and discovered that not all the female members who claimed to be adults were over 18.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24259582/
update:
SAN ANGELO, Texas (Reuters) - Texas authorities said on Thursday they identified 25 more mothers below age 18 among those removed from a polygamist compound, raising to about 460 the number of minors at the heart of a huge abuse probe.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2435250920080425
updates:
From the Guardian on June 14 2005:
“Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available for older men, Utah officials claim.
Many of these “Lost Boys”, some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families again or go to heaven. ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger
and more recently:
“Of 53 girls ages 14-17, 31 have children or are pregnant, Texas officials say”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24356447/
via jezebel:
http://jezebel.com/385019/over-half-of-female-flds-teens-in-texas-custody-have-been-pregnant
“there are 53 girls ages 14-17 who were taken from the ranch, while only 17 boys in that age group were living with the sect. (The gender divisions in children under 14 were about 50/50.) This gives credence to the tales of “lost boys” of the FDLS: adolescent males who were exiled from the sect to keep the gender imbalance favorable for polygamous unions.”